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A true crime podcast where we explore the dark sooty landscape of crimes involving fire including arson and criminal negligence. Join us as we explore what really happened in some of the most horrific criminal fires in history. Hosted by April and some guy that’s seen Backdraft at least twice.

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2 hours ago
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48 min
Episode 131
Sometimes arson investigations are tragic, complicated, and painstakingly difficult.
And sometimes a suspect confesses to a television reporter while the house is still burning behind him.
This week, we take a break from the heavier cases to explore three of the most bizarre stories of criminal combustion they could find: a Maryland house fire with an unusually cooperative suspect, a Christmas Eve Walmart fire involving shoplifting, a lighter, and an astonishing escalation of criminal charges, and a Kansas City arson-for-hire plot that somehow gets stranger with every new detail.
There are surveillance cameras. There are questionable decisions. There is an undercover ATF agent. There is, inexplicably, a previous fire involving dentures. And there are several moments that will leave you astounded.
Three fires. Three very different motives. And three reminders that while arson can have devastating real-world consequences, the circumstances surrounding a crime can occasionally become absolutely chaotic.
YouTube clip referenced in the episode: Man Tells ABC 7 News Crew 'I set it on fire'
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SOURCES:
Rockville, Maryland
“Alleged Arsonist Has History of Schizophrenia, Alcoholism.” ABC 7 News/WJLA, November 20, 2014. YouTube
Lewis, Kevin. “‘I Set It on Fire.’ Man Confesses to ABC7 News Crew About Setting Rockville House Ablaze.” ABC 7 News/WJLA, November 20, 2014; updated April 26, 2020.
“Man Tells ABC 7 News Crew, ‘I Set It on Fire.’” ABC 7 News/WJLA, November 20, 2014. YouTube
Graves, Mark Segraves. “Alleged Rockville Arsonist Confesses to Journalist.” NBC Washington, November 19, 2014; updated November 20, 2014. NBC Washington
“House Fire: 301 S. Horners Lane.” Montgomery County Fire and Rescue Service, November 20, 2014. MCFRS
Hammond, Louisiana
“Hammond Man Arrested for Christmas Eve Walmart Fire.” Louisiana Office of the State Fire Marshal, December 27, 2022. Louisiana State Fire Marshal news release
“New Orleans Man Pleads Guilty to Arson.” U.S. Attorney’s Office, Eastern District of Louisiana, March 20, 2024. ATF
“New Orleans Man Sentenced for Arson.” U.S. Attorney’s Office, Eastern District of Louisiana, October 17, 2024. U.S. Department of Justice
“Man Faces Arson, Attempted Murder Charges After Walmart Fire on Christmas Eve.” WAFB 9, December 24, 2022; updated December 27, 2022. WAFB 9
Palermo, Jeff. “Authorities Say Suspect in Christmas Eve Fire Begged Authorities to Remove His Picture from Social Media, Then Confessed.” Louisiana Radio Network, December 28, 2022. Louisiana Radio Network
Kansas City, Missouri
“Gladstone Woman Charged in Arson-for-Hire Attempt of KC Businesses.” U.S. Attorney’s Office, Western District of Missouri, April 29, 2019. ATF
Margolies, Dan. “Woman Pleads Guilty to Arson-for-Hire Scheme Along Kansas City’s 39th Street Restaurant Row.” KCUR, June 4, 2022. KCUR
Mashek, Kera. “KC Business Says Ex-Landlord Acted ‘Bizarre’ in Days Prior to Alleged Arson-for-Hire Plot.” FOX4 Kansas City, April 30, 2019. FOX4 Kansas City
Rice, Glenn E., and Luke Nozicka. “Strip Mall on 39th Street in Arson-for-Hire Case Burned Down Before, in 1990.” The Kansas City Star, April 30, 2019. The Kansas City Star

Sep 27, 2026
Sep 27, 2026
52 min
Episode 130
In the finale of Fire in the French Quarter: The Upstairs Lounge, we follow the State Fire Marshal’s investigation to its end—and confront the question it could never answer with certainty: did Roger Nunez set the fire that killed 32 people?
We examine the evidence investigators believed pointed to Roger, the troubling inconsistencies that kept the case from ever being resolved, and alleged confessions that surfaced both before and decades after his death. We also tell the story of Ferris LeBlanc, whose family spent more than 40 years wondering what had happened to him, only to discover that he had died in the Upstairs Lounge and been buried in an unmarked grave.
Finally, we look at the fire and life-safety conditions that turned a fire in a stairwell into a catastrophe—and at the dignity too often denied to the people who died, the survivors, and the community they left behind. Fifty-three years later, there may still be no certainty about who started the Upstairs Lounge fire. But the people who were there can still be remembered.
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SOURCES:
Delery-Edwards, Clayton. The Up Stairs Lounge Arson: Thirty-Two Deaths in a New Orleans Gay Bar, June 24, 1973. McFarland & Company, 2014.
Fieseler, Robert W. Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Up Stairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation. Liveright Publishing Corporation, 2018.
Camina, Robert L., writer, director, and producer. Upstairs Inferno. Camina Entertainment / Upstairs Inferno, LLC, 2015. Documentary film. Narrated by Christopher Rice.
The National WWII Museum. “Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Up Stairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation.” Conversation with Robert W. Fieseler and Ed Lengel, PhD. September 9, 2020. YouTube video. https://youtu.be/6A13PovoDAQ?si=7GnzAeQBCgEfE1it
Soileau, Alida B. “Quasi-Property No More: ‘Human Heritage’ as a New Legal Status for the Dead.” South Carolina Law Review, vol. 74, no. 1. https://sclawreview.org/article/quasi-property-no-more-human-heritage-as-a-new-legal-status-for-the-dead/
Perez, Frank. “Ferris LeBlanc and the Up Stairs Lounge Fire 50 Years Later.” French Quarter Journal. https://www.frenchquarterjournal.com/archives/ferris-leblanc-and-the-up-stairs-lounge-fire-50-years-later

Sep 20, 2026
Sep 20, 2026
46 min
Episode 129
In Part Four of Fire in the French Quarter: The Upstairs Lounge, we follow the State Fire Marshal’s investigation as investigators finally locate and question their prime suspect, Roger Nunez. We examine the evidence against Roger, the questionable voice-stress testing used during the investigation, and the alleged confessions that surfaced only after his death. But with no physical evidence tying Roger to the fire—and serious questions surrounding those confessions—did investigators finally have their answer, or were there still more threads to pull?
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SOURCES:
Delery-Edwards, Clayton. The Up Stairs Lounge Arson: Thirty-Two Deaths in a New Orleans Gay Bar, June 24, 1973. McFarland & Company, 2014.
Fieseler, Robert W. Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Up Stairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation. Liveright Publishing Corporation, 2018.
Camina, Robert L., writer, director, and producer. Upstairs Inferno. Camina Entertainment / Upstairs Inferno, LLC, 2015. Documentary film. Narrated by Christopher Rice.
The National WWII Museum. “Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Up Stairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation.” Conversation with Robert W. Fieseler and Ed Lengel, PhD. September 9, 2020. YouTube video. https://youtu.be/6A13PovoDAQ?si=7GnzAeQBCgEfE1it

Sep 13, 2026
Sep 13, 2026
50 min
Episode 128
In Part 3 of Fire in the French Quarter: The Upstairs Lounge, we turn our attention to the investigation—and to the stark differences between the work of the New Orleans Police Department and the Louisiana Fire Marshal’s Office.
We dig into the physical evidence recovered after the fire, including the Ronsonol lighter-fluid can, laboratory testing of the stairwell carpet, and a surprisingly fascinating series of flammability tests. Then we follow investigators as their attention turns toward Roger Nunez, a man thrown out of the Upstairs Lounge shortly before the fire who, according to a badly injured survivor, left after making an ominous threat.
As the Fire Marshal’s Office continues chasing witnesses and leads, investigators uncover a broken jaw, conflicting timelines, contradictory witness statements, and evidence that raises serious questions—but provides few definitive answers.
The police file contains many of those same questions. What it seemingly does not contain is much evidence that anyone kept trying to answer them.
More than fifty years later, we compare the investigations side by side and ask: Was the investigation into the deaths of 32 people simply difficult—or did investigators stop pulling at the threads before they should have?
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SOURCES:
Delery-Edwards, Clayton. The Up Stairs Lounge Arson: Thirty-Two Deaths in a New Orleans Gay Bar, June 24, 1973. McFarland & Company, 2014.
Fieseler, Robert W. Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Up Stairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation. Liveright Publishing Corporation, 2018.
Camina, Robert L., writer, director, and producer. Upstairs Inferno. Camina Entertainment / Upstairs Inferno, LLC, 2015. Documentary film. Narrated by Christopher Rice.
The National WWII Museum. “Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Up Stairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation.” Conversation with Robert W. Fieseler and Ed Lengel, PhD. September 9, 2020. YouTube video. https://youtu.be/6A13PovoDAQ?si=7GnzAeQBCgEfE1it

Sep 6, 2026
Sep 6, 2026
50 min
Episode 127
In Part Two of Fire in the French Quarter: The Upstairs Lounge, we look at what happened after the flames were extinguished. Survivors faced the threat of being outed, victims and their families were met with cruelty and rejection, and investigators began trying to determine whether the fire had been deliberately set. As police chased conflicting leads, strange confessions, and a can of lighter fluid found near the bottom of the stairs, a clerk at a nearby Walgreens gave them their first potentially significant lead.
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SOURCES:
Delery-Edwards, Clayton. The Up Stairs Lounge Arson: Thirty-Two Deaths in a New Orleans Gay Bar, June 24, 1973. McFarland & Company, 2014.
Fieseler, Robert W. Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Up Stairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation. Liveright Publishing Corporation, 2018.
Camina, Robert L., writer, director, and producer. Upstairs Inferno. Camina Entertainment / Upstairs Inferno, LLC, 2015. Documentary film. Narrated by Christopher Rice.
The National WWII Museum. “Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Up Stairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation.” Conversation with Robert W. Fieseler and Ed Lengel, PhD. September 9, 2020. YouTube video. https://youtu.be/6A13PovoDAQ?si=7GnzAeQBCgEfE1it

Aug 30, 2026
Aug 30, 2026
53 min
Episode 126
On June 24, 1973, a fire tore through the Up Stairs Lounge, a second-floor bar in New Orleans’s French Quarter that had become a place of community and acceptance for the city’s gay population. Thirty-two people died in what remains the deadliest fire in New Orleans history.
In Part One of Fire in the French Quarter — The Up Stairs Lounge, we go back to New Orleans in 1973 to explore the people and the place before following the events of that Sunday evening as a fire in the lounge’s narrow entrance stairway turns a popular gathering place into a death trap.
But once the flames were extinguished, the hardest—and darkest—parts of this story were only beginning.
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SOURCES:
Delery-Edwards, Clayton. The Up Stairs Lounge Arson: Thirty-Two Deaths in a New Orleans Gay Bar, June 24, 1973. McFarland & Company, 2014.
Fieseler, Robert W. Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Up Stairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation. Liveright Publishing Corporation, 2018.
Camina, Robert L., writer, director, and producer. Upstairs Inferno. Camina Entertainment / Upstairs Inferno, LLC, 2015. Documentary film. Narrated by Christopher Rice.
The National WWII Museum. “Tinderbox: The Untold Story of the Up Stairs Lounge Fire and the Rise of Gay Liberation.” Conversation with Robert W. Fieseler and Ed Lengel, PhD. September 9, 2020. YouTube video. https://youtu.be/6A13PovoDAQ?si=7GnzAeQBCgEfE1it

Aug 23, 2026
Aug 23, 2026
58 min
Episode 125
After eight episodes unraveling the Whiskey Au Go Go fire, we're joined by Australian author and historian Geoff Plunkett, whose decades of research have helped uncover the complicated—and often contradictory—story behind one of Australia's deadliest fires.
Geoff takes us behind the investigation, the people at the center of the case, and the evidence that has fueled questions about what really happened at the Whiskey Au Go Go nightclub on March 8, 1973. We talk about the challenges of separating fact from decades of rumor, what the historical record can—and can't—tell us, and some of the details that surprised us most while researching the series.
It's a chance to go beyond the case files with someone who has spent years digging into the story—and to revisit the Whiskey Au Go Go with a few questions we still weren't quite ready to put to rest.
Books by Geoff Plunkett
The Burning Desire: The True Stories of Australia's Deadliest Serial Arsonists
Death Row at Truro: The Shocking True Story of Australia's Deadliest Sex Killers
Chemical Munitions Sea Dumping Off Australia
The Whiskey Au Go Go Massacre: Murder, Arson and the Crime of the Century
Let the Bums Burn: Australia's Deadliest Building Fire and the Salvation Army Tragedies
Death by Mustard Gas: How Military Secrecy and Lost Weapons Can Kill
Chemical Warfare in Australia: Australia's Involvement in Chemical Warfare 1914–Today
Chemical Warfare Agent Sea Dumping Off Australia
Scuttled and Abandoned Ships in Australian Waters — with Ronald Parsons

Aug 16, 2026
Aug 16, 2026
52 min
Episode 124
In the finale of Pulpit and the Pyre: The Murder of Dawn Hacheney, the carefully constructed world around Pastor Nick Hacheney finally begins to collapse.
For years, Nick maintained control through secrecy, manipulation, spiritual authority, and a web of relationships with women who each knew only pieces of the truth. But when those women began comparing notes—and finding support outside the closed system of the church—the stories Nick had told them started falling apart. Eventually, Sandy Glass went to police with an explosive allegation: Dawn Hacheney's death had not been an accident. Nick had murdered his wife.
Investigators reopened a case that had been closed for nearly five years and took another look at the physical evidence. The extraordinarily high level of diphenhydramine in Dawn's blood. The wrapping paper found in bed around her body. The propane cylinders that were supposed to explain the flash fire—but weren't empty. And a fire timeline that didn't behave the way the original propane-leak theory said it should. Piece by piece, the explanation that had allowed Dawn's death to be ruled accidental began to collapse.We follow the investigation through Nick's arrest, conviction, successful appeal of the aggravated portion of his murder conviction, resentencing, and his currently scheduled 2027 release from prison.
Finally, we look beyond the murder itself at the coercive control that allowed Nick to manipulate so many people around him—and why intelligence, charisma, compassion, religious knowledge, and even genuine acts of kindness are not proof that someone is trustworthy. Sometimes the most dangerous people wear incredibly convincing masks.
If anything discussed in this series feels familiar—particularly coercion, undue influence, or control within a religious group, organization, or personal relationship—resources are available through the Freedom of Mind Resource Center. You don't have to decide whether what you're experiencing deserves a particular label before you're allowed to ask for help.
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SOURCES:
Mankiewicz, J. (Host). (2023). Mortal Sin [Audio podcast]. NBC News. https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline
Olsen, G. (2005). A twisted faith: A minister's obsession and the murder that destroyed a church. St. Martin's Griffin.
In re Personal Restraint of Hacheney, 169 Wash. App. 1, 288 P.3d 619 (Wash. Ct. App. 2012).

Aug 9, 2026
Aug 9, 2026
46 min
Episode 123
When Dawn Hacheney’s death was ruled an accident, investigators had little reason to look beyond the fire. But outside the official investigation, troubling questions were already circulating about Pastor Nick Hacheney, the women he counseled, and the increasingly blurred boundaries inside Christ Community Church.
In Part 2 of Pulpit and the Pyre, we examine the church culture that gave spiritual leaders extraordinary influence over their congregation, Sandy Glass’s prophetic visions, the custom rings purchased before Dawn’s death, and the relationships Nick cultivated with vulnerable women who trusted him as their pastor. As Nick increasingly framed his own desires as the will of God, questions and challenges became “spiritual warfare”—and manipulation could masquerade as faith.
But eventually, the people around Nick began listening to the alarm bells they had been taught to ignore. And one of the women he manipulated would ultimately make a promise of her own: to tell the truth.
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Inner Sanctum Acknowledgments:Eternal gratitude to our Inner Sanctum patrons, Melanie Curtis, Beth Charis-Molling, Laura Pisciotta, and Jason Wolfe for helping us bring light to the stories others would rather leave in the ashes.
Listener discretion is advised.
Background music by Not Notoriously Coordinated
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Please follow us on Instagram, X, Facebook, TikTok and Youtube for the latest news on this case. You can email us at crimetoburn@gmail.com We welcome any constructive feedback and would greatly appreciate a 5 star rating and review.
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SOURCES:
Mankiewicz, J. (Host). (2023). Mortal Sin [Audio podcast]. NBC News. https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline
Olsen, G. (2005). A twisted faith: A minister's obsession and the murder that destroyed a church. St. Martin's Griffin.
In re Personal Restraint of Hacheney, 169 Wash. App. 1, 288 P.3d 619 (Wash. Ct. App. 2012).

Aug 2, 2026
Aug 2, 2026
41 min
Episode 122
Pulpit and the Pyre: The Murder of Dawn Hacheney – Part 1
When a house fire claims the life of Dawn Hacheney the day after Christmas 1997, investigators initially conclude it was a tragic accident. A bedroom filled with Christmas gifts, portable propane cylinders, a space heater, and an elevated level of Benadryl appear to support a devastating—but explainable—chain of events.
But as a fire protection engineer, April isn't content to stop at the official explanation.
In Part One of this new series, we examine the fire scene, the science behind the original accidental-fire theory, and the unusual beliefs of the charismatic church community surrounding Dawn and her husband, youth pastor Nick Hacheney. Along the way, we explore authority, discernment, and how deeply held beliefs can shape the way people interpret tragedy.
Five years would pass before everything investigators thought they knew about Dawn's death would be turned upside down.
In this episode:
The December 26, 1997 fire that killed Dawn Hacheney
The original accidental fire investigation
Flash fires, laryngospasm, and the proposed propane leak theory
Christ Community Church and the role of prophecy, miracles, and spiritual authority
Why investigators initially believed no crime had occurred
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Inner Sanctum Acknowledgments:Eternal gratitude to our Inner Sanctum patrons, Melanie Curtis, Beth Charis-Molling, Laura Pisciotta, and Jason Wolfe for helping us bring light to the stories others would rather leave in the ashes.
Listener discretion is advised.
Background music by Not Notoriously Coordinated
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Please follow us on Instagram, X, Facebook, TikTok and Youtube for the latest news on this case. You can email us at crimetoburn@gmail.com We welcome any constructive feedback and would greatly appreciate a 5 star rating and review.
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SOURCES:
Mankiewicz, J. (Host). (2023). Mortal Sin [Audio podcast]. NBC News. https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline
Olsen, G. (2005). A twisted faith: A minister's obsession and the murder that destroyed a church. St. Martin's Griffin.
In re Personal Restraint of Hacheney, 169 Wash. App. 1, 288 P.3d 619 (Wash. Ct. App. 2012).

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